This is super-interesting. And really kinda weird.
Perhaps what I lament most is that I was the one to introduce the "no statute of limitations" clause, although I guess I still think that's a good rule.
Some points to consider from the last time around:
1. Mir opposed a limitation to Force sensitives.
Mir wrote:My only qualm is with the number of Forcers allowed. I'm okay with having a restriction of 2 Ex-Jedi characters. But I think the number of Force-Users/sensitives/whatever shouldn't be limited. However, the limit to their skill should be that of a Jedi Knight. I differentiate skill from power. Skill is the ability to wield the power. I have no issues with someone being as powerful as an Esran Croft, Kormoron, Kalja, Lil Sivtie, etc. But their ability to tap into that power should be limited, at best to that of a Jedi Knight, and even then it should be rare cases of that high level of control.
Also, as long as everyone understands that the timeframe for readjustment of the number of Ex-Jedi Knights is the next Main Trilogy movie (So not Rogue One, but Episode 8 ), then I'm happy.
Obviously, his current behavior is his legal profession and his status as Story Coordinator focusing on the rules as they exist, not harshing anyone's buzz because he hates Jedi.
2. The synonymous nature of "Force user" and "Force sensitive" was
mentioned before the vote... buuuuuut at exactly the same time, the point (that it was intended to stop powerful characters from showing up) was also made clear.
Nichalus wrote:The whole limiting of Force User/Sensitive, which are really one and the same according to the Wookiepedia, is that we don't need masses of suddenly strong Force Users 'at the beginning' or the reboot.
Specifying a difference between "sensitive" and "user" was also talked about at some length in the Force discussion thread, with most people coming down on the side, "There's a difference, because otherwise that's dumb."
3. The overwhelming majority of this thread
was about the nature
of Force-users in the new canon, not necessarily the number; the number in the rules (2) seems to have been conjured in the last second by Nich, then defended only by Nich in the proposal discussion thread
(and opposed by almost everyone else). Most people, in discussions of limiting the number of Jedi, differentiated between "users" and "sensitives," regardless of the state of canon on the matter. Ultimately, we all agreed to the limit with the understanding that it would be lifted if/when new information came to light or Episode VIII, whichever came first (implying that such information would be liberating, not restricting).
So, in my mind, there are a couple new things to consider this time around.
A) Definition and representation. Let's assume for a moment that "Force sensitive" on a character's wiki means "aware and actively utilizing" (i.e., it's synonymous with "Force user"). From Legends, pretend Corran Horn had a wiki that was built up over time as his life proceeded. He was genetically predisposed to using the Force from birth, but he wasn't aware
of that until sometime in the X-Wing novels, and though he used it (sort of) a few times then, he didn't actively pursue using the Force until the events of I, Jedi
. Under this definition, at the earliest
, his Wiki would be marked "Force sensitive" when he discovered the ability, and not a moment sooner (even if Michael A. Stackpole knew where he'd end up). In that case, regardless of Hirai "using" the Force to, I don't know, run faster or dodge a vibroblade (I haven't read the thread, I'm sorry, I'm way behind), she isn't a "Force user," because Corran wasn't a "Force user" when his connection to the Force made him a better pilot, because he didn't know about it. So, in the same way that Corran doesn't get a check mark for "Force sensitive," neither should a character like Hirai. Even if you don't say "no," so as not to be lying, the field can be left blank.
Which would solve this whole problem.
For comparison, my Force-wielder-in-training Modig Falla clearly counts against me, because he knows about his ability and is working on it. But if I decide that two years from now, Falatarr will suddenly start developing a connection to the Force, he can't count against me (even though he's genetically predisposed--what we used to call "sensitive") because nobody knows about it, least of all him.
2) The rules clearly state that this would be reconsidered upon either the discovery of new information from a canon source ("canon" being "published" or "released," not necessarily word-of-God because there is no one god of Star Wars
anymore, and J. J. Abrams--among others--is a notoriously dirty liar about his movies) or the release of Episode VIII, presuming it would have more information on the subject. I still think that's a fair assumption, because even if it's focused on the relationship between Luke and Rey, somebody's going to say, "So what the hell happened with all those other students, anyway? Why not look for more pupils?" and someone will mention, "Oh, yeah, there are tons of people I could have taught, but I'm frightened of power corrupting people," or
, "What are you on about? The Force is abandoning the whole Galaxy, and hardly anybody can use it."
Based on that assumption, we haven't fulfilled the requirements stated in the rule about when it can be reevaluated (unless someone has some evidence to present from a novel/comic/TV show/movie/video game/action figure package).
and D) I don't really give a crap about the rule, and I never liked it anyway. And this being the pseudo-democracy that it is, I think that we as a community can vote to change any rule we want, even if the rules say we can't, because we can vote to change those rules, too, dammit.
I mean, technically, I put four Force-users (according to the above definition) in my first thread of the new MBT, and I did so halfway through my second post there, which I know Mir knew about, because I talked to him about that thread in general more recently than that. But still no one has kvetched. (I mean, for one thing, probably most of them are going to die, and it doesn't affect anybody anyway.) But I only considered it "one" according to the rule because I assumed it meant "main characters" or "characters you are currently developing." If I ever develop those other characters beyond the story of the main character, they would then count against me, too (at least according to my interpretation of the rule, which, based on this thread, was clearly flawed).
But it's okay that I broke that rule, because I haven't posted in that thread for 6 months, so... let's call it "self-imposed hiatus to respect the rules," instead of, "real life has kept me way too busy to write anything fictional at all and I'm really really sorry I killed your thread Pryde."